作者 Gatchaman ( ) 站内 asciiart
标题 Re: [ANSI] 花
时间 Mon May 3 15:41:11 2010
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明言在先,此篇非为反驳而来。
前面几篇确实有过于情绪化的发言,
在此先向 PhoenixjinG 君及各位板友道歉。(不论其是否有转图)
仅从研究ANSI的角度,这边先提出一下看到影片后的想法,
首先是认为这幅图的确为纯手工,与转图无关。
但之前所提出的论点,实为于理有据,
所以基于合理的怀疑仍继续进行分析。
最先考虑到的,便是轮廓问题,
所以将几张图与原图做了合成,
例如∶http://i.imgur.com/C0d5j.png (黑执事部分)
http://i.imgur.com/MkNxP.png (海贼王部分)
从黑执事的部分可以看到,
轮廓部分几乎完全吻合,如果要说是转图,此图极有可能,
因为只有转图转不出来的部分,必须手工添加的线条有严重偏差,
如帽子部分。
而海贼王的部分,虽然有偏差的部分,
但大致上也可以说是完全吻合。
此处先排除转图所可能造成的问题,
因为影片确为手工绘制,
虽然设想过可以有一些取巧的方法,如事先练习、影片剪接、速度等,
不过此处无法作为具体事证,仅为想法,
若要提出,看来就会很像硬拗,因此不予采用。
若就图本身做分析,
此图和其他骗人布造型比起来相对简单许多,
而且色块分别明确,和其他转图作品(个人认定)相较,
若为转图,很多时候会产生颜色细碎的情况,
明显与此图的风格不符,是可以合理怀疑的地方之一。
但认定影片为纯手工的情况下,
轮廓却能如此正确,则是无法具体反驳之处,
因为敝人非影像处理专科,无法进行影片解析,力有未逮。
一如先前提过,此软体适合进阶画手使用,
当画手本身达到相当程度,要破解是很难的,
即便有验证方法,仍可有兔脱之词与方法。
(此处非针对当事人)
敝人才疏学浅,
且实再无时间心力耗费其上,因此就此作结,
但仍坚信自己的看法与判断,
其所提出的反驳,可能性同样并非百分之百。
(非讽刺或嘴硬而言)
不过无法破解此影片之谜,则确实应该服输,
视为其全无转图之可能,
在此特别向 missher/PhoenixjinG 君郑重道歉。
最后针对其所提出之行为部分作说明,
如私下散布其转图如同造谣之事,
从头至尾,敝人有提过此事的仅有三人,
一是多年前请去进行规劝的图友,
二是日前受邀前往大陆交流后的图友,因对方不明何以出图快速,故提出看法,
三是近日内向一位旧识的图友提及,询问其看法。
以上皆未曾于公开场合提及,
如再有他人,请提出具体事证,
敝人可以再次道歉。
其他部分于心无愧,仅为其个人揣度,不赘言说明。
而贴出原图网址确有挑衅之嫌,
责无旁贷,此处向 PhoenixjinG 君再次道歉。
让板上喧腾多时,非敝人所愿,
不论真相为何,终因敝人而起,
在此向各位板友严正道歉。
当初说要离开,便是不愿进行斗争,
后续几篇只觉得应该交代清楚发言依据。
因对方认定敝人是为虚名而有其所揣度之行为,
故而决定将图全数删除,
包括当初创作出发的站台(巴哈姆特),
也许某些人会觉得是任性之为,
但敝人自认心里坦荡,舆论无所损。
Gatchaman 是个人惯用帐号,
在台湾各站台行之多年,明人不作暗事,
自此全部废弃不再使用,作为谢罪,
后续亦不会以其他帐号进行任何创作。
(包括大陆站台帐号日前亦已自删)
最后,诚心向 PhoenixjinG 君及各位板友道歉,
不论是否有转图事项,终究是自己的偏执,实不应让事情演变至此地步。
曾支持、欣赏过敝人作品的朋友们,永别,还有感谢。
以上。
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推 Aiins:说真的...画得很像就是转图?画得不像就是手工?这样分就可以? 05/03 15:56
→ Aiins:从旁观者的角度来看 我不觉得你真的有道歉的意思 05/03 15:57
→ Aiins:就算你怀疑 合理的怀疑 但 不确定事情的情况下就可以肯定的 05/03 15:58
嘘 max9970:阿阿阿阿阿阿~~~~哪招阿 大师都不做图了 05/03 15:58
→ Aiins:评论别人吗?(虽然我很像在鞭尸 但我觉得你不用做砍帐号的事 05/03 15:59
→ Aiins:情 因为损己不利人 这样没有意义的 05/03 15:59
→ orniouze:看了这么多篇...其实我感觉不出来你是真的在道歉 05/03 16:15
→ orniouze:只是换了很多种说法 明示或暗示使版友以为PhoenixjinG转 05/03 16:16
→ orniouze:图 05/03 16:16
→ hunter051989:= =诚意在哪 05/03 16:35
→ abckk:人都心里坦然的走了 图都尸骨无存的删了 这么多有啥用? 05/03 16:36
嘘 DVDVCD:不知道为什么很想嘘你 05/03 16:42
嘘 AllanCat:嘘看不到你的诚意 05/03 17:05
嘘 pilione:在这版的第一嘘就送你了= = 自毁前途,何必? 05/03 17:15
→ pilione:谁管你删不删帐号?就算把作品删光又怎样?就像7楼说的,你 05/03 17:19
→ pilione:言词虽然都很客气,但就是没有半点真心诚意在,真的是很.... 05/03 17:20
→ MixCopy:施主你这又是何苦呢 05/03 18:18
推 shhsu:我想到此这个讨论串可以告一段落了.. 05/03 18:45
推 kennyken220:是版主!(戳戳) 也不用嘘吧,每个人都有自己的坚持 05/03 18:47
嘘 bullskoala:第一嘘~ 好虚伪官腔的一个人 就算你是大师又怎样 05/03 18:51
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→ pilione:最后一篇文章,再对照这篇文章,再来说要不要嘘! 05/03 18:53
→ pilione:真的超想骂脏话的= = 有胆挑起争端没胆承受舆论吗!? 05/03 18:54
嘘 qingmo:........... 05/03 19:07
推 yoway945:当初提的证据不算明确证据阿...仔细看过后感觉 05/03 19:18
嘘 dajidali: 05/03 19:19
嘘 dilemmaegg:很难看 05/03 19:24
Author Gatchaman Site asciiart
Title Re: [ANSI] flower
Time Mon May 3 15:41:11 2010
Let me make it clear first. This article is not for refutation.
There were indeed some overly emotional speeches in the previous articles.
I would like to apologize in advance to PhoenixjinG and all my fellow board members, regardless of whether they have reposted the pictures or not.
Just from the perspective of studying ANSI, here are my thoughts after watching the video.
First of all, I think this picture is indeed purely handmade and has nothing to do with transferring the picture.
But the arguments put forward before are actually well-founded.
So proceed with the analysis based on reasonable suspicion.
The first thing to consider is the outline issue
So I combined several pictures with the original pictures.
For example http: i.imgur.com C0d5j.png Black Butler part
http: i.imgur.com MkNxP.png One Piece part
You can see it from the part of Black Butler
The outlines almost match perfectly. If it were a transferred picture, this picture is most likely
Because only the parts that cannot be transferred to the image can be transferred, and the lines that must be added manually have serious deviations.
such as hat part
As for One Piece, although there are some deviations
But generally speaking, it can be said to be completely consistent
Here we first eliminate possible problems caused by transferring images.
Because the video is indeed drawn by hand
Although I have thought that there can be some tricks, such as practicing in advance, video editing, speed, etc.
However, this cannot be used as concrete evidence, just an idea.
If it were to be proposed, it would seem to be a strong argument, so it will not be adopted.
If we analyze the picture itself
This picture is relatively simple compared to other deceptive cloth shapes.
Moreover, the color blocks are clearly separated. Compared with other transfer works, personal identification.
If you transfer the image, the color will often be broken.
It is obviously inconsistent with the style of this picture, which is one of the areas where there is reasonable doubt.
But when it is determined that the video is purely handmade,
That the outline can be so correct is something that cannot be refuted concretely.
Because I am not an expert in image processing, I cannot analyze the video and am beyond my capabilities.
As mentioned before, this software is suitable for advanced painters
When the painter himself reaches a certain level, it is difficult to crack
Even if there is a verification method, there can still be words and methods for taking off the rabbit.
This is not directed at the parties involved
Our talents are sparse and our knowledge is shallow
There is really no time or energy to spend on it, so this is the end.
But still firmly believe in his own opinions and judgments
The possibility of his rebuttal is also not 100%
Not sarcastically or harshly
But if you can’t solve the mystery of this video, you really should admit defeat.
It is considered that there is no possibility for him to change his mind
I would like to sincerely apologize to misser PhoenixjinG.
Finally, explain the proposed behavior part
If you spread the picture privately, it would be like spreading rumors.
From beginning to end, I have only mentioned this matter to three people.
One is the picture friend who was invited to persuade me many years ago.
The second is a picture friend who was recently invited to the mainland for exchanges. Because the other party didn’t know how to produce pictures quickly, he raised his opinion.
Third, I mentioned it to an old picture friend recently and asked for his opinion.
None of the above has been mentioned in public
If there are others, please provide specific evidence.
I can apologize again
The other parts are purely my personal speculation and will not be explained in detail.
Posting the original image URL is indeed provocative.
It is my duty to apologize to PhoenixjinG again.
It is not my intention to keep the board uproar for a long time.
No matter what the truth is, it all started because of me
I hereby solemnly apologize to all my fellow board members.
When I said I wanted to leave, I just didn't want to fight.
In the following articles, I just feel that the basis for my statement should be explained clearly.
Because the other party believes that I am acting in vain
So I decided to delete all pictures
Including the platform where Bahamut was originally created
Some people may think it is arbitrary
But I believe that my heart is magnanimous and public opinion has not been harmed.
Gatchaman is a personal account
It has been used on various platforms in Taiwan for many years. People in the open do not do secret things.
Since then, they have been discarded and no longer used as an apology.
We will not use other accounts to create anything in the future.
Including the mainland platform account has also been deleted recently.
Finally, I sincerely apologize to PhoenixjinG and all my fellow board members.
Regardless of whether there is any matter of transferring pictures, after all, it is my own paranoia, and I should not let things get to this point.
To those who have supported and appreciated my works, farewell and thank you.
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Recommended by Aiins: Seriously... if the painting looks very similar, it’s just a reprint? If the painting doesn’t look like it, it’s just handwork? Just divide it like this? 05 03 15:56
Aiins: From the perspective of a bystander, I don’t think you really mean to apologize 05 03 15:57
Aiins: Even if you have doubts, reasonable doubts, but you can be sure when you are not sure about something 05 03 15:58
Hush max9970: Ah Ah Ah Ah did not make a picture of Master Ah 05 03 15:58
Aiins: Are you commenting on others? Although I feel like whipping corpses, I don’t think you need to cancel your account 05 03 15:59
Aiins: Love is meaningless because it harms oneself and harms others. 05 03 15:59
orniouze: After reading so many articles... I actually can’t feel that you are really apologizing 05 03 16:15
orniouze: Just changed the words in many ways, expressly or implicitly, to make the moderators think that PhoenixjinG transferred 05 03 16:16
orniouze: Figure 05 03 16:16
hunter051989: Where is the sincerity 05 03 16:35
abckk: Everyone left with peace of mind, but all the pictures were deleted without any traces left. What’s the use of so many? 05 03 16:36
Shh DVDVCD: I don’t know why I really want to shh you 05 03 16:42
Hush AllanCat: Hush can’t see your sincerity 05 03 17:05
Boo pilione: The first boo in this edition will be given to you. Why bother to destroy your own future? 05 03 17:15
pilione: Who cares whether you delete your account or not? So what if you delete all your works? As the 7th floor said, you 05 03 17:19
pilione: Although the words are very polite, there is no sincerity at all. It is really... 05 03 17:20
MixCopy: Donor, why are you doing this? 05 03 18:18
Recommend shhsu: I think this discussion thread can come to an end... 05 03 18:45
Recommend kennyken220: It’s the moderator. No need to boo if you poke it. Everyone has their own insistence. 05 03 18:47
Boo bullskoala: No. 1 Boo What a hypocritical and official person. So what if you are a master 05 03 18:51
pilione: No need to boo? No need to boo!? People who say no need to boo can go and watch PhoenixjinG 05 03 18:52
pilione: The last article, let’s compare it with this article, and then talk about whether to boo! 05 03 18:53
pilione: You really want to curse, but do you have the guts to start a dispute and not bear the public opinion? 05 03 18:54
Shh qingmo:...................... 05 03 19:07
Recommended by yoway945: The evidence mentioned at the beginning is not clear evidence... After reading it carefully, I feel 05 03 19:18
boo dajidali: 05 03 19:19
Shhh dilemmaegg: ugly 05 03 19:24