作者 wengee (没礼貌的人真多@@) 看板 asciiart
标题 Re: [ANSI] 花
时间 Sat May 1 03:02:08 2010
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※ 引述《Gatchaman ( )》之铭言∶
(略)
我在此提供一些我的拙见.
不能只因为一些特征就去判断是否有无使用转图,
如果硬是要说成是转图, 那不管是谁画的动漫或人物图都会有些许特征类似吧.
不知道为何一定要认定 枫爷他就是用转图呢?
虽然说眼见为凭, 但是色块就那几种阿, 程式去判断pixel里的色素.
范围认定与某个区块类似, 而画的人刚好就是认定要这样画, 很容易会有巧合情形.
转图软体是依据pixel颜色值决定特征-> 搜寻近似区块-> 决定使用.
而刚好色块就这几种:
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这样是要以后画图的人全都用线条吗?
(至少可以证明那程式的认定线条特征比较差)
欲加之罪, 何患无词?
如有冒犯请多见谅. 我只是说重点.
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→ Qemon:!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05/01 03:03
→ Qemon:我只想推雨神(被巴 05/01 03:03
推 juor2:还有会加上某一两种线条 05/01 03:03
推 pinkygiveme:特征无法完全断定什么事,不过重点是在于一些不自然的 05/01 03:11
→ pinkygiveme:部分,有些地方一般人不会这样处理,但程式会这么做 05/01 03:11
→ pinkygiveme:不过的确不能说得太死...我遇过有人就是以软体当老师 05/01 03:12
→ pinkygiveme:在学画图的...那还真的就分不出来了orz 05/01 03:12
→ wengee:设计这程式的人, 应该是颜色判断 > 线条特征, 05/01 03:14
→ wengee:因为填色块种类少,程式容易决定, 05/01 03:15
→ wengee:线段特征容易误判(图模糊),且决定符号太多, 05/01 03:16
→ wengee:顶多抓几种常见的,不太可能全都判断,我想程式作者也懒.. 05/01 03:17
推 furbyyeh:前几年转图软体出来 线条风开始流行= = 个人标准: 05/01 11:08
→ furbyyeh:纯色块精简运用(无山胜有山)>色块参杂线条补足>色块初学 05/01 11:10
→ furbyyeh:>=自绘(参考转图软体结果)>使用转图修改增删多余控制色码 05/01 11:12
→ furbyyeh:>转图直接贴(超不用动脑筋花时间 十分速成) 05/01 11:13
→ furbyyeh:当然 有些人风格并不会坚持同一种 混合都有 甚者视图而定 05/01 11:15
→ furbyyeh:每一张图每一份创作都该视同个案处理 并互相尊重作者 05/01 11:19
→ furbyyeh:ascii圈子已经很小了 也许有误会 各持已见 或者找台阶下 05/01 11:21
→ furbyyeh:其实作者和受益者心中都各有一把尺 评判自己作品的标准 05/01 11:23
→ furbyyeh:这也是艺术和创作的价值 也许风格不同无法接受 05/01 11:26
→ furbyyeh:就像巴洛克对普普风 古典作画对电脑绘图 05/01 11:28
→ furbyyeh:各自会找到喜欢的观众群 人生已经够短 剩下交给时间洪流 05/01 11:32
→ furbyyeh:多点欣赏 少点批评吧 争是非 何必呢 还不如多画几张图:P 05/01 11:33
→ wengee:f大,其实这道理我想版众都能同意你. 05/01 14:19
→ wengee:不过你自己也看到情况的, 有人不这么想. :X 05/01 14:20
→ furbyyeh:人性问题无解XD 不论技术或意图,每个作者都有花心力和时 05/01 16:49
→ furbyyeh:间 不可抹煞 假如有扯到商业利益的话就不予置评lol 05/01 16:51
Author wengee There are so many rude people @@ Kanban asciiart
Title Re: [ANSI] flower
Time Sat May 1 03:02:08 2010
Quotes from Gatchaman
slightly
I'm here to offer some of my humble opinion.
You can't judge whether to use image transfer just because of some characteristics.
If we insist on calling it a reprint, then no matter who drew the anime or character drawings, they would have some similar characteristics.
I don’t know why I have to assume that Mr. Feng just uses image transfer?
Although seeing is what you see, there are only a few types of color blocks, and the program determines the pigments in the pixels.
The range is determined to be similar to a certain area, and the person who drew it happened to decide that he wanted to draw it this way. It is easy to have a coincidence.
The image conversion software determines features based on pixel color values > searches for similar blocks > decides to use.
And the color blocks just happen to be these:
Does this mean that all people who draw pictures in the future will use lines?
At least it can prove that the program's identification of line characteristics is relatively poor.
If you want to accuse someone, why bother without words?
Please forgive me if I offend you. I'm just saying the key points.
wengee
'Profound meaning
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Qemon:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05 01 03:03
Qemon: I just want to push the rain god. Beba 05 01 03:03
Recommend juor2: There are also two types of lines 05 01 03:03
Recommend pinkygiveme: Characteristics cannot completely determine what is going on, but the focus is on some unnatural ones 05 01 03:11
pinkygiveme:Some places where most people wouldn’t do it this way, but the program will do it 05 01 03:11
pinkygiveme: But I can’t say it too harshly... I have met someone who uses software as a teacher 05 01 03:12
pinkygiveme: I'm learning to draw... I really can't tell the difference orz 05 01 03:12
wengee: The person who designed this program should be into color judgment > line characteristics, 05 01 03:14
wengee: Because there are few types of coloring blocks, the program is easy to decide, 05 01 03:15
wengee: Line segment features are easy to misjudge, the image is blurry, and there are too many decision symbols, 05 01 03:16
wengee: At most, we can catch a few common ones. It is impossible to judge them all. I think the program author is too lazy.. 05 01 03:17
Recommend furbyyeh: A few years ago, image transfer software came out and the line style became popular. Personal standard: 05 01 11:08
furbyyeh: Simplified use of solid color blocks, no mountains are better than mountains > color blocks mixed with lines to complement > color blocks for beginners 05 01 11:10
furbyyeh:> Self-drawn, refer to the results of the image transfer software > Use the image transfer to modify, add and delete redundant control color codes 05 01 11:12
furbyyeh:>Repost the picture directly, it takes no time and effort, very quick 05 01 11:13
furbyyeh: Of course, some people don’t stick to the same style and have a mix of them, depending on the view. 05 01 11:15
furbyyeh: Every picture and every creation should be treated as a case by case and the authors should be respected. 05 01 11:19
furbyyeh: The ascii circle is already very small. Maybe there is a misunderstanding. Everyone has their own opinion or find a way out. 05 01 11:21
furbyyeh: In fact, both the author and the beneficiaries have their own standards for judging their works 05 01 11:23
furbyyeh: This is also the value of art and creation. Maybe the style is different and unacceptable. 05 01 11:26
furbyyeh: Just like baroque versus pop style, classical painting versus computer graphics 05 01 11:28
furbyyeh: Everyone will find their favorite audience. Life is short enough. The rest is left to the torrent of time. 05 01 11:32
furbyyeh: Appreciate more and criticize less. Why bother arguing about right and wrong? Why not draw more pictures:P 05 01 11:33
wengee: F big, actually I think everyone can agree with you. 05 01 14:19
wengee: But you have seen the situation yourself. Some people don’t think so. :X 05 01 14:20
furbyyeh: There is no solution to the problem of human nature
furbyyeh: Time cannot be erased. If there is any commercial interest involved, I will not comment lol 05 01 16:51