发信人: dntx (冬鸟听雪)
标 题: Re: ascii到底为了什么呢
发信站: BBS 大话西游站 (Tue Mar 18 20:59:43 2003), 转信
【 在 lstar (lstar) 的大作中提到: 】
: dntx的图转线条的程序我认为还是不要做的好。
: 有了它自然会使ascii变得简单,可是那样又会象bmp2asc那样,搞出一堆工业化的
: 作品,看见版面上不少一眼就是b2a转换还仍然m的东西我总数感觉别扭。呵呵
这个我觉得要二分法的看,虽然b2a有很多劣质品,但用b2a出的精品也不少,
eggplant就有相当多的精品借助了b2a完成,
我的大多数人物画也是用b2a做的(虽然比不上eggplant的,但我自认为还不算劣质)
包括flubber的可乐罐中也有部分元素是用b2a做的。
这其实就是对待工具的态度问题,举一个不一定恰当的比喻,
就象用二胡奏音乐,
奏得好是有本事,奏得不好是没本事(我以前就没事干自学了十几天,
后来实在是把同屋同学吵烦了,就放弃了:) )
但不能把奏得不好这事迁怒于二胡这个乐器。
不能因为很多人拉不好二胡就埋怨二胡制造者,
甚至要求他们不要再制造高胡、板胡等另外的乐器。
如同拉二胡需要长期训练一样,b2a甚至以后的 bmp2line 也是一种“高级”工具,
虽然每个人都可以用用玩玩,但要用好,则需要一定的训练及高超的技巧。
再说个例子,关于工业化,要正视工业化,而不是惧怕甚至是躲避工业化,
就象现在的“机器翻译”似的,虽然目前的“金山快译”之类效果很不好,
但也不应停止研究,否则我们永远不能前进。
: btw:dntx曾经说过bmp2asc转换出来的色块应该是理论上最好的(原意大概如此,
: 我记不得原话了),我当时忘了re你文章了,这个“理论”前面应该加个定语:
: dntx定义的。呵呵
Sender: dntx winter birds listen to the snow
Title: Re: What is ascii for?
Sending station: BBS Westward Journey Station Tue Mar 18 20:59:43 2003, forwarded
In lstar lstar's masterpiece mentioned:
: I think it’s better not to do the program of converting dntx images to lines.
: With it, ascii will naturally become simpler, but then it will create a lot of industrialization like bmp2asc.
: Works: I see a lot of things on the page that at first glance are b2a conversions but are still m. I feel awkward. Haha.
I think this should be viewed in a dichotomy. Although b2a has many inferior products, there are also many high-quality products produced using b2a.
eggplant has quite a few high-quality products that have been completed with the help of b2a
Most of my figure paintings are also made with b2a. Although it is not as good as eggplant, I think it is not inferior.
Some elements of the coke cans including flubber are also made of b2a
This is actually a matter of attitude towards tools. Let me give you a metaphor that may not be appropriate.
Just like playing music with erhu
If you play well, you have the ability. If you don't play well, you have no ability. I used to have nothing to do and studied on my own for more than ten days.
Later, I really annoyed my roommates and gave up:
But we can’t blame the erhu for not playing well.
You can't blame the erhu maker just because many people can't play the erhu well.
They even asked them not to make Gaohu, Banhu and other other musical instruments.
Just like playing erhu requires long-term training, b2a and even bmp2line in the future are also advanced tools.
Although everyone can use it for fun, it requires certain training and superb skills to use it well.
Let me give another example regarding industrialization. We should face up to industrialization instead of fearing or even avoiding it.
Just like the current machine translation, although the current Kingsoft Translation is not very effective
But we should not stop researching, otherwise we will never be able to move forward.
: btw dntx once said that the color blocks converted by bmp2asc should be the best in theory. This is probably the original intention.
: I can’t remember the original words. I forgot to repost your article at the time. This theory should be preceded by an attributive.
: defined by dntx haha