Author lemon123 People are stupid and dogs are stupid. Site A MapleFish Title Re: [Transcription]Re: [ANSI] Flower Passerby Time Mon May 3 19:21:42 2010 AID: #1BsardDM asciiart 11222 articles Lavchi Author: Lavchi Lavender Board: asciiart Title: Re: [ANSI] Flower Time: Fri Apr 30 11:24:20 2010 Quoting PhoenixjinG's inscription "The winter butterfly will be miserable forever" : Quote from Gatchaman Science Ninja Team Okay, let me express my opinion. Two simple points The moderators need to handle this matter well because both of them are super geniuses on the forum. Missing any one of them would be a big loss to this edition. You two don’t have to be too insistent on yourself. Although I am not qualified to say this to you two. But peace is the most important thing in everything. Wouldn’t it be great if everyone took a step back? If the moderator thinks this article is of no use, just delete it. Sending station: ptt.cc From: 140.116.103.196 Editor: Lavchi From: 140.116.103.196 04 30 11:24 Sending station: ptt2.cc From: 60.244.176.134 Ixrai: Disputes between authors don’t need to involve the moderator, right? 04 30 17:04 Recommend rock77606: Isn’t the board owner responsible for managing the board affairs @@" 05 01 07:06 rock77606: If someone is arguing, it is the boss who will step in. XD 05 01 07:06 Ixrai: Because this is no longer just the board service of this board.. 05 01 19:41 Ixrai: If you want to say it's small, it's two people quarreling. If you want to say it's big, their works exist on multiple platforms. 05 01 19:43 Ixrai: The board owner’s permissions are limited to this board only.. 05 01 19:45 Attachment organized by jhyfish CatznFoxz attached a picture of the website address for Ga, but this picture received... This person's head is booing Feng, which is very Ga Author: jhyfish 鱼 Board: ForSinSoKing Title: Re: [argument] asciiart Time: Fri Apr 30 15:58:43 2010 I saw that Fox and it looked familiar. So I checked the IP and it turned out to be the same person. This guy is the guy who tampered with my signature file without authorization. #1BkUHeIp ascii wanted [ptt.cc] Re: [Signature] Wanted signature file In the tweets in the article, Serissa clearly defended her. TokyoFox This guy claims Serissa is a roommate Recommend Serissa: Although I am his roommate, this is a bit unpopular 04 05 21:48 Query netizens Nickname TokyoFox JH.Lin Economic status Extreme poverty Number of logins 33 times 218 valid articles Bad: 0 Current updates Not on the site Private mailbox All messages have been read Last visit 04 05 2010 22:47:28 Mon Last hometown 114.37.193.188 Backgammon 0 wins, 0 losses, 0 draws Chess record 0 wins, 0 losses, 0 draws Query netizens Nickname Serissa Serissa Economic status Extreme poverty Number of logins 91 times 19 valid articles Bad: 0 Current updates Not on the site Private mailbox All messages have been read Last visit 04 05 2010 21:48:11 Mon Last hometown 114.37.193.188 Backgammon 0 wins, 0 losses, 0 draws Chess record 0 wins, 0 losses, 0 draws Although the IP of the asciiart board this time is different from last time But is it too coincidental that TokyoFox and CatznFoxz have the same IP? Find out if CatznFoxz is another roommate of TokyoFox Should we tear down his mask? Hush CatznFoxz:Are you copying it? 04 30 02:23 CatznFoxz: Artists attach great importance to copyright. If you want to draw other people's paintings, you don't need to attach the source? 04 30 02:26 It's a high-sounding statement. I don't know who tampered with the signature file I made without permission and still claimed that he was right. You're studying law, aren't you? The lectures are very nice. It seems really ironic to me. Oh, hehe, I’m so bad-hearted ?? ο ?? {ㄍ <>< σ?U?C ?? ?? ?? ?? ο ??" ?? ??. ο 3< ?U ?? ?Ha??? ???Yan? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? < ?U ?p ?? ??????.?? ?????? ?e ???? ?? ?e ?? ???d?e ?e?d ?? ?Otter? ?C ?Haha? ????: ?Min? ?Kang? ?e?e?e?e?e?e?e?e ?e?e?e?e?e?e?e?e @?x?w, ? Sending station: ptt2.cc From: 122.120.193.214 ForSinSoKing: Wow haha ​​XD Xiaoyu likes it! Tweet 04 30 15:59 ForSinSoKing: Although this is a small episode of this incident... I just think it's ridiculous. Recommended 04 30 15:59 Morbert: Floating IP, it will change in a few days. Tweet 04 30 16:15 ForSinSoKing: But his "roommate" appeared last time because of him, so this time...? Post 04 30 16:20 AID: #1Bsb6pZh asciiart 11223 Sthuang Sher Seeker The attached picture is not excerpted, only the text part is taken. Author: Sthuang Haozhen Board: asciiart Title: [ANSI] Tuple Doraemon Time: Fri Apr 30 11:42:39 2010 I'm the one who solicited the picture of Sher in women's clothing. Frankly speaking, I had no idea that the rift between the two gods was so deep. Embarrassingly So the other parts are not clear because when you two started drawing ANSI, I didn’t even know what BBS was XD" But as for the picture I collected, I would like to tell you what I know about it. Because I saw Kaede painted Sebastian Because I encountered a lot of obstacles when I was drawing Sher, it was really "heavy". I want to say that even if I draw it in the end, it’s because the style of painting is different. So these two pictures don't look like a pair... uh... I mean a set of pictures. So I made a shameless request at that time. I knew very early on that he would not accept the designated recruitment map for Fengda University. So Fengda was kind enough to help me draw it. Thank you very much. PS My inexplicable persistence has Sebastian but not Sher. Oh no. Shake your head. There's Sebastian and there's Sher, but the style of painting is different. Oh, it's weird. He's shaking his head. But before that, there was an incident involving S running away from a cartoon board. I got to know G University and have a certain degree of familiarity with G University. I also said on this board that I like these two characters Sebastian Sher very much. When I was collecting photos, University G saw me talking about my request for photos on a board. So he also painted it for me, and that’s why he painted two for me at once. Please see the PS above for the reason for painting two at once. Because he saw that "I" was fighting, he drew it for me like this. When he finished the drawing, he told me in private. It just so happened that my first photo shoot was of women’s clothing. S Xie, you are such a troublemaker. Xie, it is obviously S your fault. Pan Yi This caused another misunderstanding between the two gods. I really feel guilty. So let me explain the part of the photo collection. The following is just an outsider's advice... honestly Both of them are god-level figures. In my opinion, one is a god who uses color blocks, and the other is a god who uses symbols. It would be a pity if I could no longer show off my drawing skills because of a long-standing misunderstanding. Now that the two of them face each other face to face this time, screen to screen, this "long-unsatisfactory point" has been exposed. Wouldn't it be better to take this opportunity to resolve the misunderstanding?" Actually, I took a look The point of contention is whether there is a transfer of pictures The simplest way is You two will make an appointment to go to an Internet cafe someday and draw pictures for each other to see on the spot. Or you can use a digital camera to make a video of the painting process, not necessarily all parts, for the other party to see. I know the approach I proposed is naive. You may also be thinking, "Why am I obligated to do this?" I just simply think It's not good to just leave this misunderstanding like this. If you have any misunderstandings, just clarify them directly. As for the disputes caused by misunderstandings in the past, just laugh away the grudges. Okay, except for the part I am collecting. Please ignore me and continue Are you here to break up the fight or are you here to make people jealous? o一一##3 Are you here to break up the fight or are you here to make people jealous? o一一##3 * *" '* ., ,. *' "* ., Sending station: ptt.cc From: 61.230.186.170 Sending station: ptt2.cc From: 60.244.176.134 Editor: Sthuang From: 61.230.186.170 04 30 11:44 Recommend rurutia: Really, both of them are gods> <Please continue to leave your masterpieces 04 30 12:00 rurutia: Another recommendation for the original Doraemon Yuanzu's style is really cute Update last paragraph Editor: Sthuang From: 61.230.180.97 04 30 15:27 Both of you have seen it I'm going to edit out the off-topic part of that article. Editor: Sthuang From: 61.230.180.97 04 30 16:05 Recommend rurutia: I suddenly discovered that his head is octagonal. Haha, so cute! The more you look at it, the more friendly you become. 04 30 17:49 AID: #1BsddfYB asciiart 11224 asdrt Author: asdrt Quiet Site: asciiart Title: Re: [ANSI] Flower Time: Fri Apr 30 14:34:14 2010 Quoting PhoenixjinG's inscription "The winter butterfly will be miserable forever" : Quote from Gatchaman Science Ninja Team Okay, let me express my opinion. Keep it simple, just make an appointment to draw it once It can prove who is wrong and who is right The methods used by the two on ansi are different. Gath has published works on Bahamut before. At that time, he thought it was awesome and I wanted to paint it too. I also started to slowly learn how to use color blocks on my own, hoping to catch up slowly. It was only in the ptt pirate version that I discovered Fengda. His color blocks and line graphics are really amazing. Later, I also saw many amazing people appearing on the Ptt vision art version, so they also gradually appeared on the wanted version. See who asks for what and see if you can draw it. I hope you can slowly improve your shortcomings. I feel like I’m just talking nonsense again, haha The focus is only on the beginning. The two of them are the best ones who can unravel their inner feelings, which is also a great blessing to the entire Ansi community in Taiwan. Sending station: ptt.cc From: 140.116.24.91 Tweet andy00244:Yeah! 04 30 14:38 Recommend Lavchi: Did the original PO mean to hold an artistic version of the happy party? XDDD 04 30 15:49 Recommend yoway945:Art version Ju@口@!? 04 30 19:26 AID: #1BsgNl0s asciiart 11225 diskguy The yellow part is the change of the original PO content Author: diskguy Disk Boy Banner: asciiart Title: Re: [ANSI] Flower Time: Fri Apr 30 17:42:05 2010 In view of my remarks, it seems that my language expression ability is not very good. So I thought I would write an article about it. I don’t know all the creators either I only know that they are good at painting Encountering difficulties when making ANSI diagrams I will also turn over the paintings created by two people and even all the paintings on this board one by one for reference. Too far away I'm telling you my opinion. It's up to you whether you want to listen or not. What I "think" is as follows: 1. If you make an ANSI design based on someone else's design, you should attach the original drawing to prove that the creation is not your own. When transferring images, you should also attach the original image and even what program you used to transfer it. If you make it one by one without referring to anything, and there are no pictures, of course there is no need to attach it. But if it’s a mistake to repost the picture, you’ll be damned. Okay, forget it 2. My drawing qualifications are not as good as many others, so I need teaching more. No matter how to modify the image after transferring it or how to draw a beautiful pattern by yourself from frame to frame. I hope people who know more can teach me more or share their creative process. After all, you really can’t read what you’ve transferred from the image. I think many people who have used it know this. 3. Is it only for novices to explore on their own? Wouldn’t it be better for more knowledgeable people to teach so that more people can create in this field? Of course, after cultivation, you can only save it for yourself and see for yourself. that is it Sending station: ptt.cc From: 140.122.165.122 Sending station: ptt2.cc From: 60.244.176.134 Change content 3. Is it only for novices to explore on their own? Wouldn’t it be better for more knowledgeable people to teach so that more people can create in this field? I have only created one ANSI picture and it was very weak. I usually practice retouching with some pictures that I think could be better. Of course, after cultivation, you can only save it for yourself and see for yourself. that is it I'm not trying to win any recognition, I'm just saying it clearly. that is it Sending station: ptt2.cc From: 60.244.176.134 Edited by: diskguy From: 140.122.165.122 04 30 17:43 Recommend shhsu: Do you think reference pictures need to be attached with sources O.O? Or under what circumstances should they be attached? 04 30 18:40 shhsu: No need to attach it under any circumstances 04 30 18:41 zguest2000: I really want to know how to "teach" ANSI diagrams on the Internet 04 30 20:12 zguest2000: When I study, I always look at pictures of strong people. Color. Source code. Composition 04 30 20:13 zguest2000:要我"教"还真的不知道要怎么教 04 30 20:15 kennyken220:参考图要付不付个人心证吧 选了个动画的画面也要付 04 30 22:35 kennyken220:这样会不会太夸张阿 04 30 22:35 diskguy:你可能没看过 很多人画动画的还是都附图的 04 30 23:51 diskguy:临摹别人的作品也是要附注别人作品名称不是吗? 04 30 23:51 推 Aiins:我不想吵架 但我想请原po想想 临摹的意义是? 05 01 21:01 Aiins:临摹大师的画 画一张画吧? 今天图片跟ANSI的本质 可以说是不 05 01 21:02 Aiins:一样的 附上出处真的有那么重要吗?跟二位当事人争论的重点一 05 01 21:03 Aiins:致吗? 我想不同吧 最后再问个问题 今天你带著画架出去画风景 05 01 21:03 Aiins:水彩好了 有一定必须要说 我是"看著"什么画的吗? 枫大有说过 05 01 21:04 Aiins:他的构图都是自己"想"出来的吗? 05 01 21:05 diskguy:出去画风景我会说我是看著什么画的耶 05 01 23:49 diskguy:他没说可是这样不是很容易被误会吗 05 01 23:50 diskguy:如果可以减少不必要的误会为什么不说清楚呢? 05 01 23:50 推 Aiins:所以你也觉得历史上那么多画家 都必须说自己在哪看著什么作 05 02 13:03 Aiins:画的罗? 然后海报上的字也都必须说清楚是什么字体?不然会被 05 02 13:04 Aiins:认为是自创的? 我想问 如果你那么坚持这件事情 那当其他人没 05 02 13:04 Aiins:做到的时候 你为什么不说? 为什么只单纯的指出枫大? 05 02 13:05 nonoise:有完没完啊 " 又不是刻意不提的 而实际上枫大早在前面就 05 02 20:29 nonoise:对这可能让人误会的地方道歉了不是吗? 05 02 20:30 推 gogo:以后记得要附就好啦!!有附比较保险 不然原作是可以提告的 05 03 11:54 AID : #1BshSmiX asciiart 11226 Morbert 作者: Morbert 融 看板: asciiart 标题: Re: [ANSI] 花 时间: Fri Apr 30 18:55:28 2010 只回应diskguy说的 : 作画技巧不是只能使用软体来提升这条路 你想提升自己的功力可以自己去拜师学习 我同意你要附上出处的想法! 不过你该先了解"转图"跟"手动"有什么差异? "转图"最大优点是作画时间远小于"手动" 按键按一按图就出来了 当然你要说"转图"的还要修图 "手动"的就能跳过这步骤吗? 简单说 用转图只是走捷径而已! 很多事情不是走捷径就可以作得很好的 我不会认为你想法有错 因为每个人都喜欢不浪费时间的做法 但是你会错失ansi基础学习的精华 我反对出现软体教学文主要是因为软体转图会大量侵害手动作图的人 你一定能想像现实生活中写生比赛 参赛者辛苦画出来的结果比不上站在旁边 直接用相机拍下来 经由电脑后制成画笔格式印出来的图 我一直相信手动作画出来的作品 细节的表现必然会有画家自己的心思融入 这需要花费时间心力去完成!! 以往的转图事件 大多是使用转图的人在转出来的图上签著自己的ID 说自己有多厉害!! 完全践踏了手动作画的人的心思 能想像有多少手动作画的人心灰封笔?! 当然如果你坚持要从软体转图下手 请自行摸索使用方法 也希望你在转出来的图上不是签著自己的ID 至于附上出处 如果你要用转图 请一定要附上原图 因为说实话..转图是完全没改直接移植在BBS上而已 至于手动 我知道很多ansi画家都有做到啦 他们大多在发表时已经在标题上内文中写画的是什么 参考那个卡漫人物了! 在作画过程中 手动作画的大体上是画别人的创作 但是细节表现会有个人的风格 catsangel @PTT ?e ?b ?e ?i ?? ?? ?岷? 乌 ?j 阿融 咪 ?岷? 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊 ptt.cc From: 123.194.194.153 推 diskguy:大多是使用转图的人在转出来的图上签著自己的ID 说... 05 01 00:36 diskguy:这句话我很认同 05 01 00:36 diskguy:所以我也说过了 希望真的用转图软体也诚实说不就是了 05 01 00:36 diskguy:转图我也说过我转过 我也明白这项工具 05 01 00:38 diskguy:最后也感谢你理解我的话给我正面回应 05 01 00:39 嘘 Qemon:嘘diskguy 所以其它人都是负面搂...... 05 01 01:57 Qemon:自己想听的话是正面不想听的话通通是负面..... 05 01 02:02 推 xfroscar:怎么战场越开越大... 05 01 02:09 推 diskguy:Q大对我的话有问题吗? 05 01 02:46 推 diskguy:我有说其他人都是负面吗 这样扩大解释人家的话对吗? 05 01 02:49 Qemon:那是我理解的意思呀 你可以不必理我,真的 0.0 05 01 02:55 推 diskguy:然后我就活该给你虚喔 05 01 02:58 Qemon:我要嘘我要推我要箭头我的自由吧0.0 欢迎嘘我 谢谢 05 01 03:01 推 diskguy:我不会随便扭曲别人的句子来乱虚 对于不能理解别人说的话 05 01 03:03 diskguy:的人 不值得我嘘 05 01 03:04 AID : #1Bsj 7PY asciiart 11228 jhyfish 此篇只节录 diskguy 推文 diskguy:难道你不是请人教?我没有认识的人只好碰碰看有没有教学文 04 30 23:34 推 diskguy:我也知道看别人的图去学 但我真的美工白痴国小美劳快被当 04 30 23:47 diskguy:对于这种东西比较不会掌握 看图再多很多东西我还是不明白 04 30 23:47 不好意思喔 我还真的没请人教欸 所以您的语气可以好一点: 我的图都是看板上神人的作品 自己再去画画看的喔 大我也不认识喔 完全就是因为画了大图很高兴所以才请 大给建议 因为 大在 Vision板 的教学文所以我才试 画大图的唷 不知道这样子的回答您满意吗^^ 若您要坚持您是美工美劳白痴那我也没有办法唷 或许真的跟天份有关系吧: AID : #1Bsoaqd2 asciiart 11232 wengee 作者: wengee 没礼貌的人真多@@ 看板: asciiart 标题: Re: [ANSI] 花 时间: Sat May 1 03:02:08 2010 引述 Gatchaman 之铭言 略 我在此提供一些我的拙见. 不能只因为一些特征就去判断是否有无使用转图, 如果硬是要说成是转图, 那不管是谁画的动漫或人物图都会有些许特征类似吧. 不知道为何一定要认定 枫爷他就是用转图呢? 虽然说眼见为凭, 但是色块就那几种阿, 程式去判断pixel里的色素. 范围认定与某个区块类似, 而画的人刚好就是认定要这样画, 很容易会有巧合情形. 转图软体是依据pixel颜色值决定特征 > 搜寻近似区块 > 决定使用. 而刚好色块就这几种: 这样是要以后画图的人全都用线条吗? 至少可以证明那程式的认定线条特征比较差 欲加之罪, 何患无词? 如有冒犯请多见谅. 我只是说重点. wengee ' 奥 义 o 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊 ptt.cc From: 61.230.188.104 Qemon:!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05 01 03:03 Qemon:我只想推雨神 被巴 05 01 03:03 推 juor2:还有会加上某一两种线条 05 01 03:03 推 pinkygiveme:特征无法完全断定什么事 不过重点是在于一些不自然的 05 01 03:11 pinkygiveme:部分 有些地方一般人不会这样处理 但程式会这么做 05 01 03:11 pinkygiveme:不过的确不能说得太死...我遇过有人就是以软体当老师 05 01 03:12 pinkygiveme:在学画图的...那还真的就分不出来了orz 05 01 03:12 wengee:设计这程式的人, 应该是颜色判断 > 线条特征, 05 01 03:14 wengee:因为填色块种类少,程式容易决定, 05 01 03:15 wengee:线段特征容易误判 图模糊 ,且决定符号太多, 05 01 03:16 wengee:顶多抓几种常见的,不太可能全都判断,我想程式作者也懒.. 05 01 03:17 推 furbyyeh:前几年转图软体出来 线条风开始流行 个人标准: 05 01 11:08 furbyyeh:纯色块精简运用 无山胜有山 >色块参杂线条补足>色块初学 05 01 11:10 furbyyeh:> 自绘 参考转图软体结果 >使用转图修改增删多余控制色码 05 01 11:12 furbyyeh:>转图直接贴 超不用动脑筋花时间 十分速成 05 01 11:13 furbyyeh:当然 有些人风格并不会坚持同一种 混合都有 甚者视图而定 05 01 11:15 furbyyeh:每一张图每一份创作都该视同个案处理 并互相尊重作者 05 01 11:19 furbyyeh:ascii圈子已经很小了 也许有误会 各持已见 或者找台阶下 05 01 11:21 furbyyeh:其实作者和受益者心中都各有一把尺 评判自己作品的标准 05 01 11:23 furbyyeh:这也是艺术和创作的价值 也许风格不同无法接受 05 01 11:26 furbyyeh:就像巴洛克对普普风 古典作画对电脑绘图 05 01 11:28 furbyyeh:各自会找到喜欢的观众群 人生已经够短 剩下交给时间洪流 05 01 11:32 furbyyeh:多点欣赏 少点批评吧 争是非 何必呢 还不如多画几张图:P 05 01 11:33 wengee:f大,其实这道理我想版众都能同意你. 05 01 14:19 wengee:不过你自己也看到情况的, 有人不这么想. :X 05 01 14:20 furbyyeh:人性问题无解XD 不论技术或意图 每个作者都有花心力和时 05 01 16:49 furbyyeh:间 不可抹煞 假如有扯到商业利益的话就不予置评lol 05 01 16:51 AID : #1Bs WcZK asciiart 11237 rakura 作者: rakura 浪人 看板: asciiart 标题: Re: [ANSI] 花 时间: Sat May 1 16:36:51 2010 抱歉 我想说些话... 二是两条线 无法相交的两条线 各有理 各有各自做法 我想没人会笨到做假还在那边理直气壮的继续装下去 能装多久? 时间可以证明一切 就放给时间去做证如何? 一方攻一方守又反攻 最后到底是想得到什么? 胜利? 那又如何? 赢得一口气 值得吗!? 不如为自己所爱的事物再多花点心思去钻研 再绘出更多作品 让自己精进些 我是一个不会画大图的人 当然没格说这些 最近的文章 只让我看到强手在互相伤害的感觉 每个人欣赏角度不同 各有喜好 毕竟你们谁也没在对方电脑旁看著他做什么 信就信 不信也罢 行得正做的端 总有一天会看出结果 只是现在一时争辩 我觉得有些难过 因为我还是想到漂亮的大图 单纯想看到ascii的美 欣赏角度不同 出发点不同 下手不同 东西不同 习惯不同 太多不同点了 所以..还是请两位就暂且停下吧 让我这个什么也不会的人 都能欣赏到高手的作品 这是一件让人快乐的事 你们发表作品时 有人学习 有人赞叹 那不是就值得了吗? < > 个人不太会说话 只是希望..... 嗯...别吵了...< > 暗淡的时候 只希望活在黑夜里 看著???? 寻找自己的?s?b 我要的 只有黑 灰色浪人 rakura 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊 ptt.cc From: 220.141.188.124 推 autumn31:我也觉得没什么好争的 这样反而伤了和气 05 01 16:41 推 jhyfish:推! 05 01 16:43 furbyyeh:两位板友各退一步吧 大家都来当和气佬了 真的.... 05 01 16:55 推 pilione:楼上,老实说p大已经退了很多步,一直纠缠的人看也知道是谁 05 01 17:10 pilione:是说...........版主你在哪里啊 快出来 敲铁碗 05 01 17:14 推 kanakate:推 不希望因为这样让台湾的两位 ANSI 神人就此消失 05 01 17:28 以下为删除内容 0.0 这边依kanakate觉得发言不当而要求删除.. 推 xxxxxxxx:推 不希望因为这样让台湾的两位 ANSI 神人就此消失 05 01 17:28 xxxxxxxx:搞不好大陆人看到你们这样吵 就忍不住笑了 然后 心 05 01 17:29 xxxxxxxx:想说 终于少了两个强劲的对手 喔耶 这样怎么办 Or2 05 01 17:29 以上为删除内容 0.0 vcfsvjf:楼上请不要牵扯两岸这种话题 非常不尊重人 05 01 17:30 推 pinkygiveme:楼上这种心态也是很没必要 05 01 17:31 pinkygiveme:楼楼上 05 01 17:31 推 kanakate:啊 我只是胡思乱想也没有政治立场啦 囧r2............. 05 01 17:36 kanakate:只是真的不希望因为这样让两位神人消失 唉 Or2 05 01 17:36 kanakate:如果觉得不合适的话请原 PO 把我的推文修掉吧 : 05 01 17:37 furbyyeh:笑了 没有人一定都是对的 05 01 17:43 推 kanakate:再次对不起自己太冲动推文了又胡乱讲话 05 01 17:47 推 ForSinSoKing: 05 01 17:49 编辑: rakura 来自: 220.141.188.124 05 01 17:50 推 kanakate:宇宙超级霹雳无敌感谢原 PO 还有我错了 跪 05 01 17:51 推 kanakate:再推一个好了 抢圈 10 一下 无聊的笨蛋 XD 05 01 18:32 推 hildy:推 05 01 20:31 推 teora00:推这篇! 05 01 20:54 gotohikaru:虽然不认为所有事都会有真相大白的一天 但... 该停了 05 01 23:00 推 abc1234586:会伤到不只有两方的争执 这意义.. 05 02 02:18 此篇已经删文 ..0.0 作者: whatzzz 三 连 星 看板: asciiart 标题: Re: [ANSI] 花 时间: Sun May 2 02:26:17 2010 不会画Ansi 只是对于临摹有点感想ww Ansi的图 如果有原图 制作方法多半是垫在下面画 没理解错误的话 以书法来说这叫摹 就算摹的再怎么好再怎么像 还是描的 而放一旁看著画看著写 这叫临 或许临摹已经成为Ansi制作很重要的方法之一 但是只要是有来源的 我觉得都没什么好拿来说嘴的 就算我加上了自己的小修 还是用描的 就算是说不是每个人都能描的很漂亮...那还是描的 就算是转完图再花一个礼拜的时间做细致的处理...那还是描的 临也是 只是相对是难了点 但是Ansi这东西 只能存在于这个环境 大家看得开心就好 而且以符号跟色块组成有时候还满能表现创意的 看推娃版就知道XD 是这样的 要是今天有个人拿某游戏的CG来垫著用PS描画一次 然后贴在Pixiv被发现了 一 定 被 干 翻 但是要是成了Ansi 而且是描的越像的Ansi 大家一定会越说画得漂亮ww 因为在这个BBS环境里的关系 就好像用羊或用咖啡排出蒙娜丽莎的微笑一样 大家不会说他抄袭啥的 只会说好酷好赞 所以其实也不用太计较到底是以什么方法转出来 或是自己画出来的 大家看得开心发挥了图的功用我觉得就够了 去你的天凤 什么鬼配牌... 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊 ptt.cc From: 218.170.106.156 fishhzy123:理解有误: 05 02 02:29 推 pinkygiveme:临跟摹的确是常用的两种方式 但后半部你的误会大了 05 02 02:52 pinkygiveme:画ansi画得像会被称赞 是因为ansi本来不是拿来给你画 05 02 02:52 pinkygiveme:图用的...而许多人却发挥创意 突破限制 05 02 02:53 pinkygiveme:那当然会被称赞 但是转档呢? 就像照片一样 05 02 02:53 pinkygiveme:你拿照片去参加画图比赛 不会有人给你称赞的 05 02 02:54 pinkygiveme:这种东西已经没什么限制了 要量产也容易 05 02 02:55 pinkygiveme:用杯子排蒙娜丽莎一次就够了 尤其软体一秒钟可以排好 05 02 02:55 pinkygiveme:多排几个也只是量产的成果而已 05 02 02:56 bugbook:即使有原图 我也不是垫在下面画的 算是边看画编拼色块 05 02 09:26 bugbook:由于不使用双色字的关系 有些地方常得弄好几次才能确实完 05 02 09:26 bugbook:成 如使用到大量透视概念的原图该怎样透过ANSI图表现 光 05 02 09:28 bugbook:这一点就不知花掉我多少时间了 远目 05 02 09:29 wkiosar:所以你的意思是既然临摹在ANSI界不会被批判 05 02 09:54 wkiosar:那同时转图就可以不用被骂罗 05 02 09:54 bugbook:转图一定会被骂到翻 看图弄图得有些技术才能搞定 05 02 10:48 推 kennyken220:楼上全是强者 很多符号的巧思都是这些高手的心血 05 02 12:40 Aiins:其实 我不懂ansi要怎么"垫在下面"画... 05 02 13:11 Aiins:我也不知道原来临摹是用"描"的就可以达成的... 05 02 13:12 chdc:改背景 预设黑色 就可以垫了 但是说实在话也不简单画 05 02 13:25 garlic1234:如果认为用所谓的"描"很容易可以试著去创作看看 05 02 13:25 garlic1234:PHJCI就有背景图功能 05 02 13:26 garlic1234:作者花了多少心思在里面 用描一个字就可以打发了 05 02 13:27 推 joan091355:很好描的话 画几张来看看... 每次描到会摔滑鼠... 05 02 16:21 whatzzz:我没说很好描啦...主要是想说还是有参考来源就是 " 05 02 18:03 whatzzz:然后垫图是之前看有人是这样弄的 如果有误会很抱歉@@" 05 02 18:08 daishke:对不起 我大图也都是用"描"的 05 02 19:52 wkiosar:楼上不用道歉啊ww 原po连临都能说的一文不值了 05 02 20:08 nonoise:的确是没画过ANSI的感想 """"" 05 02 20:14 zguest2000:用垫跟用看都有困难的地方 垫会增加色块线条运用的难度 05 02 20:17 zguest2000:看则是轮廓比例容易出问题 总而言之都是要练啦 05 02 20:18 garlic1234:不描不临 大概要像画家那样的等级 05 02 21:24 garlic1234:原PO到底拿什么标准来看ANSI? 05 02 21:24 follyfolly25:从来没垫在下面画过ansi... 05 02 21:37 Hyakki:我可以丢一张图请你临摹看看嘛? 05 02 21:41 neoneon:怎么办 都没人嘘可是我好想嘘0.0a 05 02 21:50 AID : #1BtGVRta asciiart 11240 alerzart This article responds to the previous article Author: alerzart Alerzart Site: asciiart Title: Re: [ANSI] Flower Time: Sun May 2 13:04:23 2010 Let me share some personal feelings. In fact, ANSI can say that it is a painting or not a painting, because it is essentially an "article" composed of "text". It just looks like a picture, a painting. This is the ANSI I know. Therefore, in fact, the focus of this kind of performance is not so much the degree of "reproducing the original image" Rather, it's about "what kind of limits can be reached under the restriction that only text symbols can be used." They are all words. Some people can spell it out to match the charm of the original picture, but some people can't. How to compose it, what kind of symbols to choose, what kind of method to use All this depends on the author’s own wisdom It's not just "tracing". If you just want to trace, there's no need to waste time thinking or trying, right? But ANSI is not cg after all^^b The reason why reposting pictures is generally criticized is because this method "cannot see the author's intention" After all, the process of creating ANSI requires the author's own ingenuity and creativity. Of course, there may be no difference in terms of results. After all, a common situation is that "they all look the same if they take off their glasses." But converting a picture may only take a few seconds, while hand-drawing may take hours. If the two types are still compared, this will of course generate widespread dissatisfaction. If everyone thinks so, then probably no one will want to continue thinking and creating in the future. "It doesn't make any difference anyway?" I don't mean to blame you, but I think there is a difference between the two situations. nefit elmei kamyu yulis, Uhw ele delis Eeo. So Se Riele Is Ye sophia. So Se Riele Is Ye sophia. Armaris Sophie Nett Sending station: ptt.cc From: 118.165.5.152 Recommend antispiral: Recommend! Only those who have drawn ANSI will understand it 05 02 13:07 push chungyiju: push 05 02 13:15 Recommend leewings: Recommend this article 05 02 13:27 Push kuokaku:Tweet! 05 02 13:31 push wkiosar: push 05 02 13:41 Push Devarena: Push 05 02 13:44 Tweet kennyken220:!!GOOOOD 05 02 14:44 push johnsondx: push 05 02 15:00 Push vcfsvjf: Push 05 02 17:27 push sandwichpope: push 05 02 21:52 Tweet neoneon: pertinent article and tearful tweet Q Q 05 02 22:00 Push AthrunZa:push 05 03 11:26 AID: #1BtgqMje asciiart shhsu 11246 Author shhsu shhsu Kanban asciiart Title [Announcement] About [ANSI] Flower Related threads Time Mon May 3 19:01:38 2010 The conversation in this thread has almost come to an end. Later I will delete the article without deducting P coins and include it in the highlight area. After the announcement, please stop replying to tweets. Thank you for your cooperation: asciiart BM shhsu Sending station: ptt.cc From: 59.104.99.109 Editor: shhsu From: 59.104.99.109 05 03 19:06 The other derivatives are actually not very relevant, so I won’t attach them ;p Also...Excerpts from the next chapter Ga revised text....!!! Let’s do some actual calculations, starting with the word Zhan Duan [ANSI], six pictures of Maple Zhan Duan... With "花" as the first article 11213 m24 4 29 PhoenixjinG [ANSI] flower Ga responded at the end... 11244 5 03 Gatchaman R: [ANSI] Flower Kaede and Ga's articles include the battle piece, not counting passers-by. There are 12 articles in total. Zhan Duan 4 28 PhoenixjinG [ANSI] words six pictures 01 4 29 PhoenixjinG [ANSI] flower 02 4 29 Gatchaman R: [ANSI] Flower 03 4 30 PhoenixjinG R: [ANSI] flower 04 4 30 Gatchaman R: [ANSI] Flower 05 4 30 PhoenixjinG R: [ANSI] flower 06 5 01 Gatchaman R: [ANSI] Flower 07 5 01 PhoenixjinG R: [ANSI] flower 08 5 01 PhoenixjinG R: [ANSI] flower 09 5 01 Gatchaman R: [ANSI] Flower 10 5 02 PhoenixjinG R: [ANSI] flower 11 5 03 Gatchaman R: [ANSI] Flower