发信人: MichaelLiang (blkf@fuckass.org), 信区: ANSI
标 题: 帮忙评价一下这个事件
发信站: 日月光华 (2005年08月21日23:14:55 星期天), 站内信件
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2.[争议]
发信人: liuzhi (一只单眼皮一只双眼皮), 信区: HeJie
标 题: Re: 进版不错
发信站: 水木社区 (Sun Aug 21 22:01:10 2005), 站内
抄圣斗士版的
【 在 Duscher (谁牛我铲谁,小样) 的大作中提到: 】
: 赞
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3.[解释]
发信人: nikolai (每天提高一点点), 信区: HeJie
标 题: 关于进版的说明
发信站: 水木社区 (Sun Aug 21 22:51:54 2005), 站内
关于进版,我来做个说明吧
因为以前从来没做过什么ascii东西,只是真心的喜欢看何洁唱歌
又感觉应该做点什么才有这个想法,我不想为自己脱罪,但想把整
件事情做个说明.
至于为什么到现在出来讲,人都是有惰性的,本来想发进版的时候
写上一片感想加说明,但真的有点累,就懒了.看来是福不是祸,是祸躲
不过这句话说的真好,还是得写.
如果有人说我虚伪,随便好了,我不会辩解.
说了好多废话,下面开始进入正题.
因为那天看到有人来何洁版闹,说进版画面涉及版权问题,大家都明白
其实就是因为那个人不是何洁的fans,所以#@$#@$,我不说了.只是觉得
心里不是滋味.就开始准备工作,这几天一直都泡在asciiart版,但真的
以前没有任何经验,还好我沾了本身的专业的光(学计算机的),copy是基
本功...所以一篇篇的翻素材,找到两个(一个就是沙加,一个是某位台湾
网友的作品--两个小女孩),后者因为有个小女孩手持话筒,所以被我选中
了,最开始真的想自己照着照片画一个,但对不起大家,艺术天赋太差,画
出来的东西实在看不下去,而且很慢,放弃了.最后还是抄起copy大法,但
搞了很久也没有弄懂fterm的彩色粘贴怎么使用,最后截图,放到ps里面打格
子,根据字符大小分成一个个格子,跟ansieditor学的,按不同位置对应相
应字符填进去,这就是进版画面人物脸部和头发的主体来源,话筒和手是
大概按照"两个小女孩"中的手倾斜45度作出来的,图中的星星参照好多人
的夜空的签名档,"何洁"两个字从台湾网站上看来的,只有头上的花是自己
修改了几次画出来的,还在别人的作品里也看到了这样的东西,所以可以这
么说,这个进版中的东西都不是我自己的,但侵权最严重的要数沙加.
下面是我对原作的改动:
额前的一绺头发去掉,在右边添了一绺,后脑的头型做了很大改变,耳
朵缩小了,眼睛作了部分改动,去掉了衣领,头花,和星空.
我想大家也看到了,我在版上发的东西是没有署名的,首先我觉得这个
东西不是我的作品,其次就是如果署名可能要署很多.有人可能说这不能作
为你犯错误的理由,我承认,我的版权意识很淡薄.但画完这个进版的时候
我真的想写篇说明,因为从开始我就没打算把这个东西据为己有,这是真心
话,信不信由大家.但这几天基本上每天大概只有6个小时的睡眠,真的很累,
因为我是个新手.这几天泡asciiart版精华区唯独没有看版权说明版,今天
下午两位网友指出这篇作品和沙加很像,你们是对的,我也把这一课补上了.
算是教训吧.
至于会有什么后果,我一人承担,如果作者不允许改动他的作品,那我就
只好再多花几个晚上去自己真正的画一个吧,但希望没有给何洁版和何洁本
人带来什么不好的影响,也希望这个东西不再是何洁版的争议话题,因为盒饭
所受的冷言冷语伤害够多了,在此拜谢大家了.
进版画面的引用作品
Czz.bbs@fpg.twbbs.org两个小女孩(在asciiart版看到的)
movingon@smth 沙加(在asciiart版看到的)
字体我就不说了
ptt.cc的好多例子都是这种风格的
而且他们不写简体,只是模仿他们的风格
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4.[参考]
发信人: movingon (木屋·凡来凡去), 信区: ASCIIart
标 题: 沙加_某某树下
发信站: BBS 水木清华站 (Tue Aug 26 18:24:43 2003), 转信
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发信人: Hello@feeling.NOdhsSPAM.org (紫色), 信区: ASCIIart
标 题: [转载] 两个女孩(hiro@fpg.twbbs.org)
发信站: 温馨小屋 (Sun Jul 7 01:13:22 2002)
转信站: SMTH!maily.cic.tsinghua.edu.cn!news.feeling.dhs.org!Feeling
【 以下文字转载自 Post 讨论区 】
【 原文由 Czz.bbs@fpg.twbbs.org 所发表 】
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作者: hiro (吸血鬼黎斯特) 看板: FpgASCIIArt
标题: 两个女孩
时间: Mon Apr 8 14:28:55 2002
《最后编修日期:04/09/2002 21:49:51 Tue》
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Sender: MichaelLiang blkf@fuckass.org , Area: ANSI
Title: Help evaluate this event
Sending site: Sun and Moon Guanghua August 21, 2005 23:14:55 Sunday, site mail
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2.[Dispute]
Sender: liuzhi, one with single eyelids and one with double eyelids, message area: HeJie
Title: Re: Good progress
Sending site: Shuimu Community Sun Aug 21 22:01:10 2005 , within the site
Copied from the Saint Seiya version
In Duscher's masterpiece "Who is the best, I will shovel it" mentioned:
: Thumbs up
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3.[Explanation]
Sender: nikolai improve a little bit every day, message area: HeJie
Title: Instructions on publishing
Sending station: Shuimu Community Sun Aug 21 22:51:54 2005, within the station
Regarding the advancement, let me explain it.
Because I have never made anything ascii before, but I really like watching He Jie sing.
I feel like I should do something to get this idea. I don’t want to absolve myself, but I want to get rid of it.
Explain something.
As for why I am talking about it now, people are lazy. When I originally wanted to issue an advanced version,
I would like to write down some thoughts and explanations, but I am really tired and lazy. It seems that this is a blessing, not a curse, but a hidden curse.
However, this sentence is so good that I still have to write it.
If someone says I'm hypocritical, feel free, and I won't defend myself.
After talking a lot of nonsense, let’s get to the point.
Because that day I saw someone coming to He Jie’s forum to make a fuss, saying that the entry screen involved copyright issues, and everyone understood it.
In fact, it’s because that person is not a fan of He Jie, so #@$#@$, I won’t say anything. I just think
I didn’t feel good about it. So I started to prepare. I have been working on the asciiart version these days, but really
I didn’t have any experience before. Fortunately, I have my own professional background in optical computers. The copy is basic.
This skill... So I went through the materials one by one and found two. One is Shaka and the other is a certain Taiwanese.
Netizen’s work of two little girls, the latter was chosen by me because there is a little girl holding a microphone.
Okay, at first I really wanted to draw one based on the photo, but I’m sorry everyone, my artistic talent is so poor that I can’t draw it
I really couldn’t stand what came out, and it was very slow, so I gave up. In the end, I tried copying, but
I have been working on it for a long time but I still don’t understand how to use fterm’s color paste. Finally, I took a screenshot and put it into PS for formatting.
The sub-frames are divided into grids according to the size of the characters. I learned from Ansieditor, and they correspond to different positions.
Fill in the corresponding characters. This is the main source of the character's face and hair in the entry screen. The microphone and hands are
It is roughly modeled after the hand in "Two Little Girls" tilted at 45 degrees. The stars in the picture are based on many people.
In the signature file of the night sky, the word "He Jie" is from the Taiwan website. Only the flower on the head is her.
I revised the drawing several times, and I also saw something like this in other people's works, so I can use this
So, none of the things in this edition are my own, but the one with the most serious infringement is Shajia.
Here are my changes to the original:
A lock of hair on the forehead was removed and a lock was added on the right side. The shape of the head on the back of the head was greatly changed. The ears were
The flowers were shrunk, the eyes were partially modified, and the collar, headband, and starry sky were removed.
I think everyone has seen that the things I posted on the forum are not signed. First of all, I think this
The thing is not my work. Secondly, if I sign it, I might need to sign a lot of names. Some people may say that this cannot be done.
The reason why you made a mistake is that I admit that my copyright awareness is very weak. But when I finished drawing this and put it into print
I really want to write an explanation, because from the beginning I had no intention of taking this thing as my own, and I sincerely
Believe it or not. But these days, I basically only get about 6 hours of sleep every day. I am really tired.
Because I'm a newbie. I've been in the best part of the asciiart version these days, but I haven't looked at the copyright explanation version. Today
In the afternoon, two netizens pointed out that this work is very similar to Shaka. You were right, and I also made up this lesson.
Consider it a lesson.
As for the consequences, I will bear them alone. If the author does not allow changes to his work, then I will
I have to spend a few more nights to really draw one myself, but I hope I didn’t give He Jie’s version and He Jie’s version
What bad influence does it have on people? I hope this thing will no longer be a controversial topic in He Jie’s edition, because lunch boxes
I have been hurt enough by the cold words, so I would like to thank you all.
Works cited in the entry screen
Czz.bbs@fpg.twbbs.orgTwo little girls saw it in the asciiart version
movingon@smth Shaka saw it on the asciiart version
I won’t talk about the font.
Many examples on ptt.cc are in this style
And they don’t write in simplified Chinese, they just imitate their style
Modification: nikolai modified this article on Aug 21 22:54:05 [FROM: 221.219.31.*]
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4.[Reference]
Sender: movingon wooden house every come and go, message area: ASCIIart
Title: Shaka Under a certain tree
Sending station: BBS Shuimu Tsinghua Station Tue Aug 26 18:24:43 2003, forwarded
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Source: BBS Shuimu Tsinghua Station smth.org [FROM: 159.226.210.236]
Sender: Hello@feeling.NOdhsSPAM.org Purple , Area: ASCIIart
Title: [Reprint] Two Girls hiro@fpg.twbbs.org
Sending station: Warm House Sun Jul 7 01:13:22 2002
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The following text is reproduced from the Post discussion area
Originally published by Czz.bbs@fpg.twbbs.org
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Author: hiro Vampire Lester Board: FpgASCIIArt
Title: Two Girls
Time: Mon Apr 8 14:28:55 2002
Last edited date 04 09 2002 21:49:51 Tue
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My boss is Jesus
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